Wednesday, December 02, 2009


There is a great discussion in the comments to the previous post. I am delighted that Doug Campbell (under the name of his wife, Rachel) and Michael Gorman are both involved in debate, all of which is really helping me in the process of digesting and weighing Doug's proposals.

Of course, Michael Gorman has shared his thoughts in a little more detail on his own webpage, but Sean Winter too has some reflections worth reading. I tend to be fairly cautious as an exegete, but this time I think I have a clear preference ... but I will share my thoughts later, after a little more meditation (I personally blame the OCD for this kind of dithering). The final decision certainly has concrete ramifications, not to mention a knock on effect for the rest of my theology.

On a slightly different note, only 21 days until Apple & Stone's debut album is released!

By the way, Anja and I got a 'Christmas reception' invite from Lambeth Palace today! We have officially arrived!

Finally, a question: can anyone tell me what the freaking heck all of this 2012 'end of world' stuff is about? One punter is even offering a free e-book on the subject, in which he confidently claims "On December 14, 2008, the First Trumpet of the Seventh Seal of the Book of Revelation sounded, which announced the beginning collapse of the economy of the United States and great destruction that will follow".

'Righty ho, then', as Ace Ventura says. While not getting into the spirit of it entirely, perhaps, I suppose this little inside prophetic tipoff means we can continue unabated in a veritable feast of sins, so long as we repent on the evening of the 13th December...


At 12/03/2009 1:02 AM, Anonymous Andrew Esqueda said...

Chris, the whole 2012 end of the world stuff has to do with the Mayan Calendar. The Mayan Calendar ends on either the 21st or 23rd, I think, of December 2012. There are a bunch of theories going around that this will be the end of the world. People are using all sorts of calculations and some are trying to tie these theories to the book of Revelation.

These theories about the Mayan Calendar and the end of the world are actually very ungrounded. What people don't understand is that the Mayan Calendar is cyclical. Basically, its not that time ends for the Mayan's, but that their calendar starts a new cycle. There is a leading Mesoamerican researcher named Sandra Noble who thinks all of this speculation is quite ridiculous. The Mayan Calendar just starts a new cycle. This is just another vehicle for "end of the world" enthusiasts to stir up some dust. I got all of this from watching too much of the History Channel.


At 12/03/2009 11:53 AM, Anonymous Steven Harris said...

If he's prophesying the "beginning of the collpase of the American economy" then he's already about a year too late.

The 2012 stuff is to do with the Mayan calendar, although Mayans never really believed that 2012 would be the end of the world.

In any case it doesn't really matter since the entire industry of LaHayite-Rapture-Endtime-ism is a load of unholy b*llocks.

At 12/03/2009 1:25 PM, Anonymous Robin Parry said...

2012! Oh carp! That's ages away. I was hoping for a date next week so we could avoid any more X Factor and Strictly Come Prancing

At 12/03/2009 6:13 PM, Anonymous Lars Leevi said...

Where the darn I can find your inerracy-posts? We have a debate on the issue on a finnish site "exegetical safari" and I'd like to add an link there into your conversation. You can also do that yourself by adding that as a comment into discussion "Liian korkean raamattunäkemyksen opettaminen on epäeettistä". In the box under the text is there's a link "kommentti(a)". Press that to open the comment window. Or whatever way you like me to receive this information! BTW, great blog this used to be, I hope you get again more into posting something else than youtube videos... but I know it may sometimes feel like we're wasting our and everybody else's time here in the darn internet when we could actually be reading books or talking to our wives...

At 12/04/2009 1:12 PM, Anonymous Robin Parry said...

never heard of Apple & Stone but I checked the link and listened for about an hour. Yup - pretty groovy baby!

At 12/06/2009 1:04 AM, Anonymous Chris Tilling said...

Thanks for that info on 2012,n very informative!

You are such a skeptic! Unholy b*llcks?! You can't even spell!

hey Robin,
Glad you liked Apple and Stone! Perhaps your cunning plan for world domination can speed up the end-time time table, if you know what I mean?!

Hey Lars, Thanks for your comment. If you type in "inerrancy" in the search, you should find them all. There were quite a few!


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