Tuesday, February 06, 2007

ill

:-(

Apart from being ill, which has decreased my ability to concentrate and read (I really hate that), I have managed to work though – or at least start to – a couple of extraordinary books.

The first, Brant Pitre’s Jesus, the Tribulation and the End of the Exile, is one of the most engaging and suggestive books on the historical Jesus I have read in a good while (I first mentioned it here). One point hit me between the eyes because it was so obvious. What do you think the Gospel talk of ‘gathering the elect from the four winds’ means? Pitre ties this into the prophetic hope for return of the northern tribes (the ten scattered among the Gentiles in the Assyrian Exile about 700 years BC). Fascinating!

And I’m thrilled that Brant is joining blogdom!

The other gem of a book which I shall review in more depth in due time is Chris VanLandingham’s Judgment and Justification in Early Judaism and the Apostle Paul mentioned previously here. This one has to be the most provocative thesis about Paul and justification that I have read for a long, long time. It is ‘messing with my head’ as it seems to me to be trying to prove that a theological square is a circle, but I’ll certainly try to keep an open mind. It is a brutal critique of Sander’s notion of ‘covenantal nomism’, but if Chris is right it won’t be just Sanders who should be quaking in his boots – all Pauline exegetes and theologians will need to take a deep breath and do some serious rethinking. My thanks to the kind folk at Hendrickson for sending me a review copy.

When I read stimulating books like these, whether my initial reaction is ‘hot damn!’, ‘oh dear’, ‘no frigging way’, or whether it is pure epiphany, an ‘ahhhh, of course!’, it is always exciting!

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At 2/06/2007 7:20 PM, Anonymous tigger said...

Hi Chris,

Hope you get better soon.

Yeh, I think I read Wright on this 'elect from the 4 corners being the renewal of the lost tribes' stuff. I seem to remember the translation of 'angeloi' thus being literal 'messengers' i.e. the apostles...

Good for helping reset our understanding of Apocalyptic eh?

 
At 2/06/2007 11:53 PM, Anonymous Apolonio said...

Chris,

Im doing an independent study on Paul this semester and I am using Chris's book as one of my references. I like the book but have some criticisms. I think he does well in documenting 2nd temple judaism material which I find lacking in some Pauline studies.

 
At 2/07/2007 1:44 AM, Anonymous Biran said...

Let's let Tom Wright straighten out this VanLandingham chap!

By the way, I am recruiting backup singers for a possible contemporary Lutheran praise band. The tentative band name is "Stendhal's Revenge".

 
At 2/07/2007 9:47 PM, Anonymous Chris Tilling said...

Hi Tigger,

'Good for helping reset our understanding of Apocalyptic eh?'

Yes, I think so! At least it gives us pause to reconsider.

Hi Apolonio, I fel teh same way about this book. Very enjoyable, but I have some serious problems with it...

Biran, any room for a dancer in that group? Me in a leotard will get the girls swooning.

 
At 2/07/2007 9:57 PM, Anonymous Michael Barber said...

Chris,

Thanks for mentioning that Brant is coming aboard.

But please, do not even joke about leotards. In fact, I'm pretty sure there's something in Deuteronomy about men wearing them. :)

 
At 2/09/2007 6:14 PM, Anonymous Brant Pitre said...

Hi Chris,

Thanks for mentioning me coming into blogdom! I enjoy reading yours (although I'm not a frequent comment poster). And thanks for the kind words on the dissertation. That point hit me right between the eyes too as I was working through Mark 13. However, unlike tigger's comment above, I did NOT find anything in Wright interpreting the passage in this way. It's one of the more remarkable sections in his book; despite his obvious interest in "exile" imagery, he blows right over the ingathering of Mark 13:24-27.

Tigger, can you give me a reference for Wright's interpretation? I don't think he does much of anything with the lost tribes.

Thanks for the help! And Chris, keep reading and let me know what you think (the last section on Gethsemane and the ransom is one of my favorites, if you can make it that far.)

 
At 2/12/2007 10:46 PM, Anonymous Chris Tilling said...

Michael,

"But please, do not even joke about leotards. In fact, I'm pretty sure there's something in Deuteronomy about men wearing them"

'Thou shalt not prance in a leotardeth' is the verse, I believe :-)


Hi Brant, great to have you visit the blog!

‘Thanks for the help! And Chris, keep reading and let me know what you think (the last section on Gethsemane and the ransom is one of my favorites, if you can make it that far.)’

Oh I will keep reading! I’m honestly finding your book inspiring, and I’m not just saying that.

 
At 2/13/2007 2:56 PM, Anonymous tigger said...

Brant,

I found Wright's reference to Mark 13:27 in JVG p. 362-363 (third impression 2001).

In it he makes mention of the quote being a reference of 'return from exile' linking up Dt 30.2-5 Ps 106.47, Isa 27.13, 2 Macc 2.7, Zech 2.6-12, Dan 7.2, Did 10.5.

You're right in saying that he doesn't specifically implicate the '10 tribes' and, instead, locates his focus on the OT promises to Jerusalem/Judah.

I've not read your book, but I remember reading somewhere else about Wright having the 'wrong exile' in mind, so I guess you both are concerned to read exilic promises into apocalyptic language but differ on the 'look' of the fulfilment of those promises.

Thanks,

Richard

 

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